Posted by
Gavin
• 04.12.13 03:00 pm

Hey newspapers, I thought you said “If it bleeds it leads.” You’ve got a doctor in Philadelphia who is beheading babies and there’s “blood all over the place.” 

Dr. Kermit Gosnell is on trial for conducting third trimester abortions which is an illegal process so gruesome it often involves the dictionary definition of murder. About the only non-local news sources writing about the story are conservative sites such as Hot Air and National Review. Here are some lowlights from the case…

 

FROM HOT AIR…

Gosnell abortion-clinic worker: One of the babies “sounded like a little alien

“I can’t describe it. It sounded like a little alien,” West said, telling the Philadelphia Court of Common Pleas judge and jury that the body of the child was about 18 to 24 inches long and was one of the largest babies she had seen delivered during abortion procedures at the Women’s Medical Society clinic…

West said the baby’s eyes and mouth were not yet completely formed and it was lying on a glass tray on a shelf and she told the co-worker to call Gosnell and fled the room…

Stephen Massof described how he snipped the spinal cords of babies, calling it, “literally a beheading. It is separating the brain from the body.” He testified that at times, when women were given medicine to speed up their deliveries, “it would rain fetuses. Fetuses and blood all over the place.”

It jumped, the arm

A second Delaware woman, who worked at Dr. Kermit Gosnell’s West Philadelphia abortion clinic, testified today that it was “standard procedure” to snip the necks of any babies that were delivered by patients before the abortion due to labor-inducing drugs.

And Lynda Williams, 44, of Wilmington, said Gosnell taught her how to flip the body of the baby over and snip its neck with a pair of scissors to ensure “fetal demise.”

Williams also testified that she followed Gosnell’s orders one time, when Gosnell was away either running, swimming or working at a clinic in Delaware, and took a baby that was delivered in a toilet and snipped its neck.

“It jumped, the arm,” she said, showing the jury by raising her arm.

Williams told investigators she only snipped a neck the one time, “because it gave me the creeps.”

Update: This is a few months old, but the 3801 Lancaster Project made this documentary of the case that’s worth a watch.  There may be more coming, too.

Caution: Some disturbing images included, as you may well imagine.

Gosnell abortion-clinic worker: I assisted with abortions while in high school

She also told of seeing at least five aborted babies moving, breathing and, in one case, “screeching,” after procedures at Gosnells’ Women’s Medical Society clinic at 3801 Lancaster Ave.

“They looked just like regular babies,” Baldwin said to Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore.

Baldwin said one baby she saw was so big that Gosnell joked that “this baby is going to walk me home.”

NOTE: HotAir also asks how people would be reacting to this horror if it involved puppies?

 

FROM NATIONAL REVIEW…

 Ho-Hum Horror

Obama did not refer to the word “abortion,” preferring instead to discuss “reproductive freedom” and the “fundamental principle” that “government should not intrude on private family matters.”

This procedure, sometimes called a “live-birth abortion,” is illegal. But not thanks to President Obama. As a state legislator in Illinois, he argued that the law should offer no protection to neonates if they had been delivered before viability. He said that protecting them would violateRoe v. Wade and undermine the right to abortion. What looked like infanticide to most people was for him, it must be inferred, a “private family matter.” When Gosnell applied his scissors to pre-viable children, he was, on Obama’s terms, merely exercising a cherished freedom.

Concluding his statement, President Obama said, “I hope that we will recommit ourselves more broadly to ensuring that our daughters have the same rights, the same freedoms, and the same opportunities as our sons to fulfill their dreams.” Let us commit ourselves to ensuring that our sons and daughters have the opportunity to live; an opportunity cruelly snatched away from more than 50 million human beings since the day the president commemorated.

BACK TO ME…

There’s a misconception that abortion is ultimately good for us because, outside of the part where it’s about freedom (or choice or something) it’s also a great way to rid the world of all these useless fucking crack babies. That’s what this crazy bitch seems to be getting at. She actually brings up a bigger question. If you’re so in favor of something, why can’t you stomach looking at it? Why can’t you even Google image it?

 

Truth is, PLENTY of abortions are done by women who find the idea of another child to be an inconvenience. As a 2008 NBC story pointed out, “Half of the roughly 1.2 million U.S. women who have abortions each year are 25 or older. Only about 17 percent are teens.” In 2011, a Slate reported discovered, “a whopping 72 percent of NAF clients looking to terminate a pregnancy were already mothers” and adds, “public perceptions of who aborts and why are skewed mostly as a result of all the political heat around late-term abortions and adolescent abortions (minors have only 7 percent of all abortions).”

So, what’s the solution? Take the morning after pill if some idiot cums in you. That’s part of a rape kit too so don’t give me that horse shit about a father raping his daughter. If you’re too stupid to notice that you’re pregnant by the time you get to third term, you have to keep it. It’s not your right to behead a child because you consider it inconvenient to do otherwise. It’s called “adoption.” About half the women in this country are pro life. I’m not sure how supporting them became another example of the “war on women.”

-GAVIN McINNES


Comments
  1. frt says:

    It’s been settled law since 1973 and articles like this won’t change that.

    There’s a woman who hangs out with posters of dead fetuses at 2nd ave between 42nd and 43rd street every single day. Go hang out with her and tilt at windmills.

  2. Jenny James says:

    Oh Thank God. Another man is here to tell me what to do with my body.

  3. Hugo Chavez says:

    “There’s a misconception that abortion is ultimately good for us because, outside of the part where it’s about freedom (or choice or something) it’s also a great way to rid the world of all these useless fucking crack babies. ” That’s not a misconception. How else do you explain the drop in violent crime in the 90’s right around the time all those aborted babies would be around adolescent age?

  4. Hugo Chavez says:

    I also think it’s funny how you decided to omit the racist practices he committed. White women were only attended to by him personally in clean rooms, while Blacks and Asians were treated by untrained staff members in the dirtier, unsterile rooms. I guess in your world racism doesn’t exist, right Gavin?

  5. Ben says:

    Lord knows why I’m leaving a comment on this website that is slowly turning into drudge—not that i can actually point to anything factual that drudge fucks up, I just don’t like what he “represents” because I a person who operates on emotions and dog whistles. but I would just like to note that this isn’t really a debate between pro-life people who want to stop third-term abortions and pro-choice people who want to allow them.

    Much of the pro-life movement is devoted to making all abortion illegal, which would probably create more Gosnell-type facilities because the only clinics would be unregulated.

    Additionally, much of the pro-life movement is also devoted to outlawing the morning-after pill, Gavin’s preferred solution to this problem.

    I’m pro-choice and I’m pretty sympathetic to some pro-life views precisely because of the gruesome details that Gavin highlights in this article. Nevertheless, I do not “support” the pro-life movement because it almost always comes part and parcel with opposition to all birth control and free, well-regulated OBGYN health care.

    For those interested, here’s an article on why there was no “media cover up”:
    http://www.salon.com/2013/04/12/there_is_no_gosnell_coverup/

  6. () says:

    NY Magazine: “Liberals, in fact, have good reason to spread the word about the trial, as it highlights how restrictions on abortion coverage push desperate low-income women into the arms of corrupt doctors like Gosnell.”

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/04/kermit-gosnell-media-bias-coverage.html

  7. Mike says:

    I’m atheist. But even to me aborting an unborn baby (especially late stage) is so disgusting enough that it makes something like water-boarding terrorist suspects like a fun birthday party activity

    Late stage abortions should be illegal unless:

    – theres virtually no chance of adoption
    – medical issues with the mother

  8. Clovis says:

    Illegal abortion would be like illegal guns, very messy. Not sure that I want to deal with the spawn of someone who’s not smart enough to know that she’s pregnant until the third trimester. It’s quite the conundrum. Anyway, happy weekend to you too.

  9. newlibertarian says:

    Religious and moral tirades against abortion are all well and good, but we own our bodies. The state has no jurisdiction over what we put into or, for that matter, expel from them. Period.

  10. Tiffany says:

    Um, Jenny James, I think this is less about what we do with OUR bodies and more about not killing living, breathing little humans. I do not think early term abortion should be outlawed, but can we not kill actual babies please?? This is sickening and horrifying.

  11. b ird says:

    Isnt it wierd that theres so many commenters who have neurodevelopmental disorders and other fucked up mental disorders on the internet? I mean, people who think they’re smart but don’t even know how to spell “weird”? And youre just supposed to treat these freaks like normal human beings and care about their opinions on matters that they have no clue about?

  12. Ben says:

    For the record, I wasn’t calling Drudge inaccurate. I was more saying that Street Carnage has come to mimic Drudge’s reactionary and poisonous tone. And, um…well, let’s just say you didn’t prove me wrong on that. Um, and it’s not as if “reactionary,” “poisonous,” and even “tone” are subjective words that can’t be proved or disproved. So THERE!

  13. Hunter says:

    @Jenny James

    Maybe someone SHOULD tell you what to do with your body if you’re considering waiting til the fucking final weeks of your pregnancy to rid of something that is currently an actual child growing inside of you…That’s just careless, stupid, and lazy. Get it sucked out when it’s still a tiny clump of cells clung to the side of your uterus, not something that can fucking “sound like an alien”. If I, for some reason, got pregnant right now, I’d definitely put an end to that…but IMMEDIATELY…not when it’s a “thing” whose lil’ softball-sized baby head you have to chop off in order to “abort” it…Gross. Abortion should be LEGAL, and SAFE….but you still have to, uh, take it upon yourself to GET ONE during the appropriate time…

  14. RED says:

    This is a common trick with pro-lifers. First they get you to admit 3rd term abortions are wrong. Then they show that 3rd term happens way more often than you think. Next thing you know, you’re against abortion.

  15. Bob says:

    It’s a neat trick abortion proponents do when they claim that their bodily integrity somehow extends to extinguishing the life of another. That’s sort of like a rapist saying to his victim that she has no right to tell him what to do with his body as he plunges his cock into her.

    I wonder where all these so-called pro-choice people fall when it comes to food & smoking bans and school choice? Methinks their concern is less about choice and more about holding party lines and abstracting others into nothingness so they can lead more “convenient” lives.

    Say what you will about Sanger, but at least she admitted she was a eugenicist.

  16. The Patriarchy says:

    People (like my hero President Richard Nixon) are generally cool with abortion if it’s just blacks and hispanic babies. Most people secretly wish more blacks and hispanics got abortions. There would probably be a lot more outrage if this doctor made a couple of suburban white teens OD.

  17. The Patriarchy says:

    Now on to more important stuff- Are you fighting Scary Perry on June 1st?

  18. Red. says:

    And you know what, if they do decide to have that baby, don’t let them get 16 oz. bottles of formula either!

    OOF!!!

    Tiffany: Define “baby” (nevermind “actual babies”). Define “living”. Define “killing”. You “do not think early term abortion should be outlawed” but you ask that we “not kill actual babies”. (Lest we forget that you asked nicely, with a please!) I’d venture to guess most pro-lifers would categorize your support of “early term abortion” as killing a living baby. Forest. Trees.

    Hunter: If it can “sound like an alien” then certainly it must be a living human being! At the very least, we know at that point that it’s not a “thing”, right? Whew! Where can I subscribe to your newsletter?!

    Gavin: Linking your previous article only weakened your case, in my opinion. “Abortion? Why not adoption?” I guess us gals never thought about that! So you’re telling me all I have to do is wait nine months, let a human being grow inside of me, push it out my genitals and then I can let the next idiot cum in me? If only we had all known sooner! *Beacon of light shines and singing angels descend*

    Newlibertarian: You’re my hero.

  19. I like how in California some lawmakers want to put diseased lung pictures on every single pack of cigarettes.
    And yet if you put up pictures of abortions, or even live babies outside of abortion clinics that isn’t allowed!

  20. Gavin, BIG thanks for the pics of Canadian pro-lifers.
    Being an American, and not caring much about the world outside of the U.S. (let alone outside of Southern California) I was not aware that there were as many young punk types in Canada who were pro-life. Thanks again.

  21. zig says:

    I dunno Gavin. While I recognize that a woman’s choice to have an abortion kills an unborn child, I support that right (although, support that authority would be more accurate of my feelings, nobody has a “right” to kill others, but many things do have the authority.
    The kid ain’t here yet. He ain’t born, and trust me, I have great respect and advocacy for a whole shit pot full of rights we are born with.
    But the mom is already born. He ain’t. And when it comes to anything inside me, whether it be a cancer or a little baby boy, what happens to him is my decision. I respect the same for a woman.
    Don’t like it, consider it justified homicide, wish people had better options, but the mother has the right to kill her UNBORN child. And that is how I live with legalized murder. Freedom is messy. We have enough trouble with taking care of the rights of the born.
    As for that POS Democrat voting worthless waste of oxygen that was killing kids that HAD MADE IT, they need to slow fry him in oil at the courthouse, on the weekend, with a lot of liberal news coverage. The people that worked there need to be beat every day for about a year.

  22. MRGay says:

    Are any women being put on trial for murder? It’s illegal. They consented to this. They went to the guy’s office and asked him to do this for them. How are they not every bit as culpable as Gosnell if not more culpable? Once again, misandry!

  23. Jenny James I hope to God you’re kidding.
    Gavin’s specifically speaking about LATE TERM ABORTIONS.
    Also, he specifically cited where HALF OF WOMEN ARE PRO-LIFE.
    QED!

  24. pantagruel says:

    i’m a libertarian, except when i’m not.

  25. for those of you who are libertarians and atheists and are wondering “how the hell could ANYONE who is a libertarian and an atheist be pro-life” I submit to you Libertarians For Life http://www.L4L.org
    They’re really good.

  26. JM says:

    @ Jenny james — I fucking HATE the “it’s my body” argument. How did this even get off the ground?? The whole point is that it’s not YOUR body at stake, it’s the fetuses body, and that it’s your moral obligation to bring that INDEPENDENT human life that happens to live in your body to term. It’s a really fucking simple concept.

    I’m not one bit pro-life, in fact I swing radically the other way–not morally offended by infanticide given the right conditions–but god do I fucking hate “it’s my body.” It is just so obnoxiously thickheaded and besides the point. Feminists ruin fucking everything.

  27. Jim Goad says:

    “the racist practices he committed.”

    The “he” in question is black. How fucking insane is this world, and how complete is your brainwashing, where people are snipping babies’ heads off and you’re self-righteously hunting for “racism” that’s not applicable to this case?

  28. BASO says:

    Really hyped on how you have become a very vocal figure in conservative causes, makes for good reading.

  29. nefalim says:

    How is a baby growing inside of you your body? What about that unborn baby’s rights to life liberty and pursuit of happiness? My biggest problem with pro-choice supporters (other than supporting stopping a beating heart) is that your hatred makes you so intolerant you resort to insults and silencing any other opinion. You call yourself libertarian, but fail to realize denying life is the ultimate form of tyranny. Yes, I am a Christian and I will pray for you all. Now let your hatred pour out.

  30. D says:

    Thinking back about some of the cows that I’ve fucked, I could imagine myself in a scenario where I would be very pro-choice. That said, I don’t know anyone who’s had an abortion and was thrilled by the experience. Everybody knows that pro-choicers are lesbians and women who missed the boat, and pro-lifers are middle-aged dads. Both sides are among the least likely to be contemplating abortion in the future.

    “My body, my choice” is pure doublethink. Abortion and Fetus are pure newspeak for Infanticide and Infant.

  31. Mrs.Fields says:

    The old excuse about the taxpayer’s cost to support the unwanted child is happy horse shit. The angry woman in the video is a complete wackadoo. Where is her outrage at having to pay taxes to support abortion providers? Even if she did have to pay higher taxes to support the child there is at least a return. Don’t you think that child will eventually want a car, a house, a job, etc? Which case is more likely to sustain your social security benefits? I’d say it is much better to invest in children than it is to line the pockets of that ghoul Gosnell.

  32. Mrs.Fields says:

    PS my husband and I have six children that will one day be subsidizing your retirement. We promise we won’t ask any of you to buy them shoes in the meantime.

  33. meh says:

    It’s ‘your body’? Well why in the fuck do women allow ‘their bodies’ to become pregnant with an unwanted child? It’s not rocket science. Use contraception,you idiots. And to para phrase Gavin, if you do mess up you have 72 hours to get the morning after pill.

  34. D says:

    Ha. “My taxes, my choice. You’re getting an abortion, LaQuisha.” I lament the fact that Freakonomics has turned so many progressives into proponents of Negrocide.
    The “fetus” apparently feels no pain during the “termination procedure.” Does that mean if I go around unplugging people on life support, or shooting people in the head while they are sleeping – or even from behind when they’re walking down the street – that it’s not really murder? If death is instantaneous and the subjects are never aware, doesn’t that make them failed statuses rather than murder victims? If they didn’t protest, how do we know that they were terminated against their will?

  35. Clovis says:

    I’m young (well, healthy), rich, and on psych meds. I care about this about as much as I care about Funyuns, purple drink, and midnight basketball. Reading these comments makes me feel like I’m visiting the Bolshevik cage at the whiny fag zoo.

  36. Typical guy says:

    Since when were libertarians supposed to be pro-murder? Thats all this is. Murder.

    And fuck your ‘my body – my choice’ comments you self absobed and childish dumbasses. Its not a tattoo or piercing, its another human being – yours. Act responsible

  37. I just submitted this to reddit. http://redd.it/1ca8u7
    It’s not your body, and it’s not fully separate independent life. It’s NASCENT life, and should be protected. I’d like to give you Bonhoffer’s remarks on the matter,
    Destruction of the embryo in the mother’s womb is a violation of the right to live which God has bestowed upon this nascent life. To raise the question whether we are here concerned already with a human being or not is merely to confuse the issue. The simple fact is that God certainly intended to create a human being and that this nascent human being has been deliberately deprived of his life. And this is nothing but murder.

    A great many different motives may lead to an action of this kind; indeed in cases where it is an act of despair, performed in circumstances of extreme human or economic destitution and misery, the guilt may often lie rather with the community than with the individual. Precisely in this connection money may conceal many a wanton deed, while the poor man’s more reluctant lapse may far more easily be disclosed.

    All these considerations must no doubt have a quite decisive influence on our personal and pastoral attitude towards the person concerned, but they cannot in any way alter the fact of murder. (Quoted in Eric Metaxas, Bonhoeffer, 472, paragraphing added)

  38. whoops, I deleted that link because I unwittingly submitted it to the /abortion subreddit which is all prochoice all the time. Can someone else submit it to /prolife? I am a n00b on the internets…

  39. Shirl Hood says:

    Those 3rd trimester abortions are gross, I hope they are crack heads then the baby will not have to suffer with being brain dead.

  40. Gavin says:

    @Jenny James
    You’re sick of men telling you what to do with your body? I’m sick of women who haven’t experienced the miracle of birth, telling me how inconsequential it is.

  41. Gavin says:

    @Hugo Chavez
    (nice handle, pig)
    The Freakonomics theory about abortion was basically a typo. As Steve Sailer pointed out, they got the dates wrong.

    http://www.isteve.com/abortion.htm

  42. Gavin says:

    Also, to my old pal @tromano who said on Twitter “they are gross and very rare and usually only necessary in emergency situations”

    Though that’s the company line, it’s not actually true. The stats on abortion are clouded by liberal reporters (especially women) with a bias. Check out at this page from Bill McGowan’s “Coloring the News”…

  43. D says:

    Hey Francisco: did it ever occur to you that Jesus hasn’t been a good friend to the lowly fetus? It’s obvious that pro-lifers are out there thanks to the church bulletin board, not because they’re especially fond of children. You guys really grease the wheels of evil. Abortion is a questionable practice for other reasons than “because God says so.”

  44. 40,000,000 babies murdered in the USA and counting. And we’re supposed to be afraid of Iraq/Libya/Syria/Iran/whatever.

  45. SUCCESS!
    http://redd.it/1cayol
    Thank you all for putting up with me.

  46. Jim Goad says:

    “How else do you explain the drop in violent crime in the 90′s right around the time all those aborted babies would be around adolescent age?”

    Very easily. An exponential increase in incarceration rates. By 2000, America had locked up about 10 times as many prisoners as it had in 1970.

  47. Also a general ageing of the population. Older males tend to commit less crime than younger people.

  48. My Name's Not Really Hugo Chavez—I'm just afraid to disclose my real name because it wouldn't look good, seeing as, like, I'm trying to become a doctor and stuff. says:

    @Goad: No shit, Sherlock. You must assume its impossible for Blacks to be racist against other minorities. It’s fucking relevant because the only two grown women murdered in his clinic were an Asian and African. This wouldn’t have happened to a White woman, because he managed their abortions personally.
    @Gavin: Calling me a pig, you flabby piece of shit? Ending unwanted pregnancies is one of the only ways to stop lower income families from falling further into poverty. About half of pregnancies are unplanned. Family planning prevents them from having to spread their resources among even more children. I’m sure just having the child seems like a reasonable option to you given that you could fucking afford to raise another dozen kids. Guess what? Not everyone else is in your same position, douche.
    You framed the fucking title to imply that it’s the left wing that’s being unreasonable, when that’s complete bullshit. You fucking right-wingers are the ones constantly trying to neuter Roe v. Wade. For goodness’ sake, if it were up to some of you, even Plan B would be illegal. Take this one in a million abortion clinic example and shove it up your ginger ass.

  49. u. says:

    sorry folks, but any serious libertarian will have to be pro-life if it concerns a third trimester being. At that point, you are not one but two. That thing is human. At 20 weeks the being is cognizant.

    2nd trimester is a grey area and 1st trimester is fair game.

    If you are okay with third trimester abortions than you should also, logically, be cool with killing your parents after a certain age and mental deficiency has been achieved.

    From the proud parent of a two year old who made the extremely personal decision to have an abortion on two separate occasions.

  50. Jim Goad says:

    “You must assume its impossible for Blacks to be racist against other minorities.”
     
    Dumb assumption, as is the retarded binary assumption that I’m a “right-winger.” I’ve concluded—not assumed—that the word “racist” is a loaded term and thus prefer the term “tribal-minded” because it refers to a universal instinct among human groups. DUH!
     
    “Take this one in a million abortion clinic example and shove it up your ginger ass.”
     
    Señor Miguel Garcia at UCLA, you are one bloated, four-eyed dipshit. You belong to an organization based STRICTLY on race and then have the nerve to whine, without a wisp of irony or self-awareness, about “racism”? Explain why you’d be so eager to defend a practice that disproportionately snuffs out potential members of La Raza. By the by, how does your school feel about ranking people on their skin color, punk? I’ll make sure no “gingers” ever seek medical treatment from you. In fact, I’ll rip a page out of your Victim’s Playbook and make sure they sue your dumb culo out of existence.

  51. Gavin says:

    @HugoChavez or Miguel or whatever your name is

    The Bill McGowan link above shows a reporter doing her own leg work and discovering there were 1,500 partial abortions in NJ alone. Now considering there were about 54,000 abortions. 1,500 is 2.7% of 54,000. So, that’s more like 27,000 in a million. Not “one in a million” as you told me to fuck off with. That’s about as many people we’re told are killed from gunfire.

    http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/new_jersey.html
    http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2013/02/rep_joyce_beatty_says_about_30.html

  52. Gavin says:

    Actually, that’s an interesting number because the 30 to 40k number also represents: # of breast cancer deaths a year and the number of prostate cancer deaths a year. Something about a tenth of a percent of the American population that keeps coming up. Weeeeeird.

  53. James Dunphy says:

    You probably don’t remember me but we graduated Earl of March the same year.

    The problem with the abortion debate is the extremes on both sides. It seems obvious to me that, while a fetus is not a human being after 6 days, it is definitely one after 7 months. If the majority can agree on that much, then all thats left is to pick a reasonable time between these two extremes after which it is no longer acceptable to have an abortion. I am pro-choice but you are 100% correct – 3rd term abortions are evil. Unfortunately, radical feminists see any restrictions to be a slippery slope back to the “coat hanger in the alley” days and continue to support late term abortions for the most trivial of reasons. They are so convinced that abortion is the “holy grail” of women’s rights that they even support sex-selective abortions where female fetuses are specifically targeted. What kind of feminist fights for a world where a woman has less of a chance of being born because she lacks a penis. Isn’t that the very definition of sexism?!

    Just my two cents . . .

    PS – At the risk of sounding sycophantic, I enjoyed Pissing Public. Couldn’t put it down.

  54. Red. says:

    [Insert heavy sigh here.]

    I offer the collective you this scenario: A woman is seven months pregnant, goes in to the doctor, finds out there is a complication. Doctor tells her “it’s you or the baby.” Following your logic, this seven-month-old fetus is a person, entitled to the same rights as the mother. So why is it that THIS is the only scenario save rape or incest—when you overwhelmingly recognize the fetus as a life and not, to quote Hunter, a “thing”—when you advocate for a late-term abortion?

    By your logic, terminating the life of that fetus is no different than terminating the life of that mother. By your logic, both are living beings entitled to the exact same rights. By your logic, we should send this mother out the door with a glass of milk, cross our fingers, and let the chips fall where they may.

  55. Chapter After says:

    I don’t get it. It’s like you’re not even *trying* to be funny.

  56. the real RED says:

    Fuck you and your “heavy sigh”
    This is the most tired, armchair liberal shit in the world. You take some crazy scenario like “What if she was raped by her father” and try to base policies on it. The fact is, it’s a myth that the vast majority of 3rd tri abortions are for emergencies. You’d know this if you had ever looked into it but you don’t because you don’t REALLY care. You just like sighing at people.

  57. jonathan pemberton says:

    @james dunfy. i’m a religious jew and i agree with u almost completely. there is a certain point in a pregnancy that we can all agree the fetus is not yet human and also a point where we can all agree it is. the courts in the u.s. (and the world) need to make some sort of reasonable decision regarding when the cutoff point is and make that the law of the land. my estimate would be the begining of the 2nd trimester but im no expert. as to the issue with radical feminists being afraid; who gives a shit? this is about society and how we all interact with eachother. we need to limit abortions because it is wrong (or evil if u prefer that term.)
    shabbat shalom

  58. Mark in Austin says:

    A frequent reaction with many folks seems to be, “well, this is really terrible and I don’t like it, but I’m worried about people calling me uptight, narrow-minded or sexist.”

    Please continue to wrestle with the underlying issue – that our society may be slaughtering developing children at a horrifying rate and for essentially selfish reasons. The old timers were right, it turns out that sex really is a big deal. Especially when it results in the creation of a new human life. If one day you find yourself in a tough situation that you aren’t ready or willing to handle, its because you engaged in some behavior that put yourself in that position (or you were the victim of a horrific crime). Most times its because we didn’t respect sex for the wildly powerful and RISKY experience that it is.

    Folks can argue about blastocysts and implanting and viability until the cows come home. All of us were once blastocysts, and any fertilized egg, left on its on it may continue to grow into a baby. We should all be very humble in approaching this issue.

    One last thing, “Hands off my body” is no more of a justification for shutting men out of the conversation than limiting discussions of war to those that are vets. Its as asinine, shrill and other people just hear, “I’m unable make a cogent argument.”

    Thanks for the thoughtful piece, Gavin.


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